The Healthy Mind Interviews VOL III

Author:Henry M. Vyner
Language: eng
Format: azw3
Publisher: Vajra Books
Published: 2010-07-13T00:00:00+00:00

THE FIVE PRIMORDIAL WISDOMS

“Primordial wisdom is the complete knowledge of every aspect

of phenomena (both ultimate and relative).”

In fact, when the ultimate truth is apprehended

in one taste with the relative, and when at the same time

dual appearance subsides, no division can be made between

the ultimate and the relative; they are of one taste.

Mipham

The Word of Chandra39

***HMV: Is the primordial wisdom of togpai yeshe the same wisdom that appears as the five wisdoms? 40

LTC: Yes. If you analyze it, primordial wisdom is the same thing as the five wisdoms.

HMV: Does that mean that there are five different kinds of insight?

LTC: Primordial wisdom is the same thing as egoless mind; it is a moment of egoless insight.

HMV: What is the difference between the five different wisdoms?

LTC: I’ll describe them. When you attain egoless suchness, your stream of thoughts ceases to appear. That is called the wisdom of total openness.41

HMV: So this first type of primordial wisdom, the wisdom of total openness, is experienced as the cessation of thoughts.

LTC: Yes. Thoughts are like wearing a shirt. When you take off the thoughts, you are leaving behind a naked appearance.

HMV: Like KuntuZangpo.42

LTC: Yes. The second type of primordial wisdom is mirror like wisdom. When an object appears within your mind, and there is no grasping, that is mirror like wisdom. The appearance is there, but awareness does not grasp it. There is no grasping.

HMV: So there definitely are inner appearances in the nondual mind.

LTC: Oh yes. When you know the egoless suchness of those appearances, there is no difference between them. There is no duality between heaven and hell. There is no difference between purity and impurity. This realization of the sameness of all phenomena is the third kind of primordial wisdom. It is called equanimity wisdom.

HMV: What does it mean to say that all appearances are the same?

LTC: All the appearances are the same in the sense that they do not make any difference.

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